Melissa/23/phoenix.
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terresdebrume:
#Spoiler #The Avengers #See what gets me in this scene is that Thor is saying ‘he’s adopted’ #But what he means is ‘well he’s not really my brother’ #And although I don’t doubt he really loves Loki #It means that Loki is only his brother when it’s convenient #As soon as things get mildly difficult #’He’s adopted’ #Where are your memories Thor #Where is your insistance that Loki will always have a place in Asgard? #Idk if the writers did it on purpose or not #But the fact remains #This is not the behavior of someone whoe realized his errors #they took the character we had at the beginning of ‘Thor’ #slapped some love for the Midgardians on it #and left it at that #there is very little actual change in him #and it bothers me so. freaking. much #Jane changed his view of the universe #but not his view of himself #or his view of Loki #which is where most problems they have with Loki stem from#sigh #One day I will have to write something about you Thor #or someone needs to do it for me #because this needs to be fixed
Huh. Well, that can be a legit take on this scene. I actually thought Thor was trying more to explain what is upsetting Loki and thus resulting in this uncharacteristic behavior in half-words. Which is really not the way to go, but he is still an ass at these things, as he was in Thor. I think he is trying to keep this whole affair personal - a family matter - and probably only goes along with the Avengers when he realizes he can’t get Loki under his control on his own. He still looks down on humans, mind, he berates them, he doesn’t confide in them, he also, much like Loki, views them as subjects, but subjects to protect; he has merely learned a lesson in the sanctity of life in his exile, and that he must rule to provide a good, prosperous life for his subjects (not ruling out of pride and arrogance, as a warrior, as he would have)! I don’t think anyone of Earth even really knows what’s going on with the two of them. ‘He is my brother’ is ‘you have no right to touch him, because he is of higher status’.
But that’s just my two cents.
Huh. I never thought about it like that. Thor is not good with words, or explaining deep emotions, so his “He’s adopted” comment can be interpreted as “The reason he’s doing these things is because how he feels about being adopted”.
So maybe he was not declaring that Loki is not really his brother, but stated the fact why his brother was upset.
Thor is an ass mostly, and he has still a lot to learn and he’s not good at explaining stuff, especially not to Loki, but I don’t doubt that Thor still loves his brother more than anyone else. That’s why I was upset that he would say something like that, but maybe we were the ones not able to understand what he actually meant.
Both is possible. I don’t know what to think. Thor, next time hold monologues instead of two word replies.
i—i just thought it was funny omg
I always thought of this as an older sibling thing. Like, his body language suggests that he’s embarrassed by Loki. He still loves Loki, but it’s just been rubbed in his face that Loki’s done some bad things, right after he defended him.
It’s childish and petty, but I find it at least believable. Even now if I were walking through the mall and someone is like, “Hey, is that your sister over there screaming and crying over Once Upon a Time shirts at Hot Topic?” I would be like “What sister?! I don’t have a sister! Who told you I had a sister? Quick let’s go before she sees us!”
(To be honest, the more likely scenario is the other way around, and I would be crying over an avengers t-shirt while my sister contemplates her own parentage.)
I’m not defending Thor, it’s petty of him, but it kinda a sibling thing. He wants to impress his new friends but his stupid younger brother is being such a brat. Why can’t Loki just stop being crazy all ready so they can go home and Thor can go back to being cool. “He’s my brother!” “He killed 80 people in two days.” “… he’s adopted…”
..whereas I just thought he was trying to make it clear Loki’s behaviour is not normally accepted behaviour in either Asgard or their family, trying to protect their honour.. In retrospect, that may be too easy a take on the line.. but I don’t think this one line proves that Thor just loves his brother just when it’s convenient. After all, loving someone doesn’t mean you always need to be reasonable with someone, there can be pain and snarky comments (especially so in sibling relationships, as pointed out above! it happens with many siblings, does it not?). Especially when you’re dealing with someone like Thor, who, in the movies, is kind of portrayed as this person with an explosive temper. I think Loki knows/knew once not to take seriously every thing Thor says. He says things in the heat of the moment and doesn’t seem to know how to explain how he feels, hich is why things he says may have a different impact than the one he intended. Thor probably felt threatened here, does not want to think these new people to think he acts like this in his spare time and therefore wants to distance himself from Loki’s actions. It doesn’t excuse his comment, but I think it explains it.
I’ve been writing it off on annoying writers going for banter and hitting OOC, but frankly that’s not a very interesting position and also makes me pissed.
So I’m picking the “Thor doesn’t speak very well and he’s trying to explain Loki’s motives” because I just love him so much and also it’s VERY in character.
(Source: nothing-fails, via heartinthetardis)
no·ble (nbl) | adj. no·bler, no·blest
[…] 2. Having or showing qualities of high moral character, such as courage, generosity, or honor: a noble spirit.
(Source: dinklages, via doctor-who-fandom)
